Nas vs Eminem

"Ayo, my pen and paper cause a chain reaction
To get your brain relaxing, a zany acting maniac in action
A brainiac in fact son, you mainly lack attraction
You look insanely whack when just a fraction of my tracks run
My rhyming skills got you climbing hills
I travel through your mind into your spine like siren drills
I'm sliming grills of roaches, with sprayed on disinfectants
Twist the necks of rappers 'til their spinal column disconnects
We disinfect then check the monologue, turn your system up
Twist them up, and indulge in the marijuana smog
This is the season for noise pollution contamination
Examination of more cartoons than animation
My lamination of narration
Hit's a snare and bass of track ****** up rapper interrogation
When I declare invasion, there ain't no time to be starin and gazing
I turn the stage into a barren wasteland..." - Eminem

"It's only fair to warn
I was born with a set of horns
And metaphors attached to my damn umbulical cord
Warlord of rap little bastard with a two by four board
That smashed into your Honda Accord
With a 4 door Ford
But I'm more toward droppin an accapella
To chop a fella to mozarella
Worse than a helicopter propella
Got you locked in the cella
With your skeleton showing
Developing anorexia
While I'm standin next to ya
Eating a full course meal watching you starve to death
With an IV in your veins
Feeding you liquid darvicet" - Eminem

This isn't even his best shit, this is just what I could recite off the top of my head. Eminems rhyme scheme is on another level.

^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Jeet wrote:

Chokey wrote:

Jeet wrote:

Chokey wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:

Chokey wrote:

Jeet wrote:

Mark us wrote:

liftthat wrote:I'd have to go with Nas tbh.
He has more classics & has a much better track record than Eminem.

Em is like...3/7, album wise?
He fell off a while ago, about 10 years ago to be accurate.

Nas created one of, if not the best album in Hip Hop history (Illmatic, which arguably impacted hip hop more than any other album). He's much more consistent than Eminem, he has more content/subject matter, etc.

And I know some Em fans get hard on's from lyrical/technical stuff, so I'll put it out there & say Nas is one of the most technical/lyrical rapers to exist.
Backed up with: http://composerscorner1.blogspot.com/2011/03/how-to-appreciate-rap-music-3-is-nas.html
Breaks stuff down very in depth.

And I just find Nas music more enjoyable to listen to, lol.

Nas + skill + career>>>>Eminem + skill + career

How can Nas be technically better than Em? Look at the first verse of "Lose yourself" and compare it to any Nas verse. The rhyme scheme is on another level. Or how does the author of this text define rapping technique?

Any song off illmatic>lose yourself

StrangeGenius wouldnt even say that about KOD. This is the biggest amount of dickriding I've seen.

Nas isnt his favorite rapper.

Does that matter? Saying that every track on Illmatic is better than Lose Yourself is ofcourse a question of opinion but this smells of dickriding far away.

Have you listened to illmatic?

Yes. Besides I find Nas a bit borring (like most on this site) I think that Lose Yourself is one of Em's best songs ever and it's just an aggresive song with aggresive flow. The lyrics in LYS is okay I agree that most of the songs on Illmatic has better lyrics. But that doesn't mean that the song is better. It aint poetry. It's music. Nas' flow and beats on Illmatic is just to borring for me. I like old school and I respect Nas even though I dont personally think he i that great but can see the argues for that he is. But I just dont think personally that every track Illmatic is better than LYS.

Umm.. If we're talking lyrically then rap is poetry lol. And lyrically any song on illmatic beats lys, I never said its better from a musical stand point because that's completely subjective

poetry and rhytm. And Nas rhytm (flow) is just borring. Just watched the lyrics for "represent". Just took the song I like least on Illmatic and the lyrics are really not that good:

"Straight up shit is real and any day could be your last in the jungle
Get murdered on the humble, guns'll blast, niggaz tumble
The corners is the hot spot, full of mad criminals
who don't care, guzzlin beers, we all stare
at the out-of-towners (Ay, yo, yo, who that?) They better break North
before we get the four pounders, and take their face off
The streets is filled with undercovers, homicide chasin brothers
The D.A.'s on the roof, tryin to, watch us and knock us
And killer coppers, even come through in helicopters
I drink a little vodka, spark a L and hold a Glock for
the fronters, wannabe ill niggaz and spot runners
Thinkin it can't happen til I, trap em and clap em
and leave em done, won't even run about Gods
I don't believe in none of that shit, your facts are backwards
Nas is a rebel of the street corner
Pullin a Tec out the dresser, police got me under pressure"

really better than LYS?

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

Nas imo

Mark us wrote:

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

Did you do all that color coding?

[quote="41OMaXiMuS"][quote="Mark us"]

Jeet wrote:

Did you do all that color coding?

Personally. I'd go with Nas. It's been said a few times already, his track record is flawless. I feel like Nas deliver's the strongest message hip-hop has ever had. Anything he does has SO much impact, from illmatic to even coining "hip-hop is dead". He's done a lot for the world and holds such a positive image. Em gets a lot of his credit from being so dark and... "shady"(lolpun).

Nas has kept it going since the age of 16 with nothing but his life story and insanely clever lyrics. Not saying MnM isn't clever. I just feel like Nas is TRULY hip-hop. No gimmicks. He has no tricks up his sleeve but sheer skill and his way to flow over anything, naturally. He sticks to the real roots of where it comes from.

Em, he's more like the mad scientist. He comes out very strong. You can tell the amount of work and thought that goes into it. Needless to say, he has his own style. He's changed the game so much, by being him. I think that it's important to be an individual, but unlike Nas, he used tricks and gimmicks to get ahead in the game.

Huge fan of them both none the less.


Very informant thread! Such a solid subject.

The true hip-hop fiend's drug of choice: Nas

VS.

The most controversial, yet successful: Em

Both widely accepted as 2 of the greatest. Both arguably the greatest alive. It's a hard pick for a real rap fanatic. I'm impressed by the content here and I'm enjoying this.

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

Mark us wrote:

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

Did you do all that color coding?

Yes, I did this a while ago when I had a discussion with a friend on how elaborate rapmusic ( in this case regarding rhymes ) can be. I know it's rather unprecise and not every rhyme is marked right. But I think it roughly shows how (some) rappers do calculate the structure of their lyrics. It's mathematics. This really fascinates me.

Mark us wrote:

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

Did you read the article I posted in OP? Lol

i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his flow and voice.

Jeet wrote:

Mark us wrote:

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

Did you read the article I posted in OP? Lol

I did and found it very interesting. But just listen to



And i just can't see why Nas part shall be anything special from the technical standpoint. Probably it is, and I'm too stupid to understand it, but I just can't consider this rapverse anything mindblowing. Help me to understand it :D

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Nas, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Mark us wrote:
I did and found it very interesting. But just listen to



And i just can't see why Nas part shall be anything special from the technical standpoint. Probably it is, and I'm too stupid to understand it, but I just can't consider this rapverse anything mindblowing. Help me to understand it :D

In short, he does things the average listening can't hear unless they look out for ear; as the article said, he's a musical genius. But I'm not here to tell you that you're/your opinion is wrong, I'm just offering perspective

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat.

King Suicide wrote:

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat in my opinion.

Fixed.

King Suicide wrote:

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat.

You can't "fix" what someone enjoys

Jeet wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat.

You can "fix" what someone enjoys

fix'd

But IMO Nas' flow sucks. Really it blows big time! And IMO Em beats him too lyrically (if we look at old songs ofc).

Marshall Mathers LP > Illmatic

come at me Jeet

Chokey wrote:

Jeet wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat.

You can "fix" what someone enjoys

fix'd

But IMO Nas' flow sucks. Really it blows big time! And IMO Em beats him too lyrically (if we look at old songs ofc).

Marshall Mathers LP > Illmatic

come at me Jeet

Lyrically??! Come on man.

Mark us wrote:

Jeet wrote:^ of course from a technical standpoint he's nearly untouchable, but for me lyricism encompasses more than that

Yes, and I only refered to the technical aspect of rap. This is why i cannot understand the article about Nas being the best technical rapper.

Look at this ( and of course it's all about bending words in order that they rhyme and the right pronunciation )



His palms are
sweaty, knees
weak, arms are heavy
There's vomit on his sweater
already,
mom's spaghetti
He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm
and ready
to drop bombs,
But he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
The whole crowd
goes so loud
He opens his mouth,
but the words won't come out
He's choking
how, everybody's joking now
The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
Snap back to reality, Oh
there goes gravity
Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
He's so mad, but he won't
give up that
Easy, no
He won't have it , he knows
his whole back's to these ropes
It don't matter, he's dope
He knows that, but he's broke
He's so stagnant, he knows
When he goes back to his mobile
home, that's when it's
Back to the lab again, yo
This whole rhapsody

Also look at this part, which is from Tech N9ne:


Narcissistic, hard to grip it,
Dark and wicked, arts prolific,
Mars with the stars, this is far lifted
Lyrics quit the bar with it, bar scriptures are terrific
Getta spitta witta bit of bitter marketing’
Wit skrilla then a fifth of henny liquor, start to twist it
Critics sit and
shiver
In the slit of zillas
Pit of killas grittas hittas
Click of silly niggas are ficticous
On top of the
game, I’m droppin the rain
Godly gifted, hop in your lane
and stoppin your fame
Bark is vicous, You got bars to witness
Yall submissive, When I get your
brain your thoughts is shifted
I’m incredible, highly technical nympho triumph,
raw intricate
I need medical then more science, scar’s n stitches
Alphabetical gems blow by him, pause it a bit
Tech n9ne a mental giant!

It even doesnt't have to make any sense; when the words rhyme as they do in these two examples we can notice a very high skill level when it comes to the technical aspect of rap. I think this is objective. Of course rap is about more, but for me the technique is very important. These marks I did are the explanation on the paper why it sounds nice to me.

I feel sorry for colour blind people.

Jeet wrote:

Chokey wrote:

Jeet wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

41OMaXiMuS wrote:

King Suicide wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:i'd rather listen to Eminem, because of his lyrics and voice.

Fixed.

Re-fixed

Eminem maybe be better at rhyming but in terms of content,wordplay, originality and introspection Nas had him beat.

You can "fix" what someone enjoys

fix'd

But IMO Nas' flow sucks. Really it blows big time! And IMO Em beats him too lyrically (if we look at old songs ofc).

Marshall Mathers LP > Illmatic

come at me Jeet

Lyrically??! Come on man.

I made a post about Nas a while ago in the 'unpopular opinions in hip hop' thread. I just think as good lyricist as Nas is, he doesn't have the 'whole package'. In other words, his flow is boring, he doesn't provide much entertainment in his songs or music videos, his voice can sound a bit monotonous etc.

While Eminem may (arguably) be a worse lyricist (personally I don't think there is a lot in it), he has plenty of other attributes which makes him a better rapper overall.

Nas a boring flow? He might not have such many variations and different kinds of flows like Eminem, but Nas' flow is anything but boring I think. When you speak about good flows in Hip Hop people like Nas absolutely have to be mentioned.

Even from his new stuff:

Marshal Mathers LP does not even belong in the same bracket as Illmatic. (Sorry)

"It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, 2Pac and Biggie. Andre from OutKast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me."

This was said years after Marshal Mathers LP.

JUST SAYING GUYS.

Mark us wrote:Nas a boring flow? He might not have such many variations and different kinds of flows like Eminem, but Nas' flow is anything but boring I think. When you speak about good flows in Hip Hop people like Nas absolutely have to be mentioned.

Even from his new stuff:

Nas one of the best flows ever? Fuck off!!!

@Jeet didn't meant to say MM LP was better then Illmatic lyrically meant overall.

With that said I think If I Ruled The World is one of the best songs ever made in hip hop. And Nas kills it.