Tupac Vs. Biggie

GangusKahn wrote:Choke E who is GOAT?

No one. There is no GOAT. Rap & Hip Hop is abstract. Saying one is the greatest ever isn't wide enough. Where would Pac be without NWA, where would all these rappers today be without Pac and so on. I think there's a couple of GOAT who makes the GOAT-group with the most influence, talent, skill and using the whole shit.

Going to sleep repleying on everything after this tomorrow.

Chokey wrote:

GangusKahn wrote:Choke E who is GOAT?

No one. There is no GOAT. Rap & Hip Hop is abstract. Saying one is the greatest ever isn't wide enough. Where would Pac be without NWA, where would all these rappers today be without Pac and so on. I think there's a couple of GOAT who makes the GOAT-group with the most influence, talent, skill and using the whole shit.

Going to sleep repleying on everything after this tomorrow.

Someone being the greatest of all time is just your opinion...How can you say everyone is wrong lol?

opinions classhing.

Tech N9ne is the GOAT IMO.

Tech's in my top 10 but he doesn't quite fit the full criteria.

Yea he's a hell of a lyricist and has some deep and meaning for songs.

But Tupac had a real social impact, unfortuantley Tech's underground so this hasn't happened.

What they did for social impact/hiphop GOAT: 2Pac

Music They Make GOAT: Tech N9ne.

that is my point...

STRANGEgenius wrote:opinions classhing. .

Indeed

GangusKahn wrote:

Chokey wrote:

GangusKahn wrote:Choke E who is GOAT?

No one. There is no GOAT. Rap & Hip Hop is abstract. Saying one is the greatest ever isn't wide enough. Where would Pac be without NWA, where would all these rappers today be without Pac and so on. I think there's a couple of GOAT who makes the GOAT-group with the most influence, talent, skill and using the whole shit.

Going to sleep repleying on everything after this tomorrow.

Someone being the greatest of all time is just your opinion...How can you say everyone is wrong lol?

Yeah its my opninion. Never said everyone is wrong just saying no one is ever right about GOAT.


IMO you need to be one of the illest on the mic, write your own god damn songs and with good lyrics, perform with a hell of a show live, no need for a good beat to make a good flow or a good beat to make a hit, sounding good without autotune, not rapping about shit you dont do if it's just for the fame, not dissing everyone all the time just for the fame etc.

Dont hate on me for this cause the list goes on and on in my head. You need to be awesome at several things IMO.
But again its just my opinion.

Chokey wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:opinions classhing. .

Indeed

GangusKahn wrote:

Chokey wrote:

GangusKahn wrote:Choke E who is GOAT?

No one. There is no GOAT. Rap & Hip Hop is abstract. Saying one is the greatest ever isn't wide enough. Where would Pac be without NWA, where would all these rappers today be without Pac and so on. I think there's a couple of GOAT who makes the GOAT-group with the most influence, talent, skill and using the whole shit.

Going to sleep repleying on everything after this tomorrow.

Someone being the greatest of all time is just your opinion...How can you say everyone is wrong lol?

Yeah its my opninion. Never said everyone is wrong just saying no one is ever right about GOAT.


IMO you need to be one of the illest on the mic, write your own god damn songs and with good lyrics, perform with a hell of a show live, no need for a good beat to make a good flow or a good beat to make a hit, sounding good without autotune, not rapping about shit you dont do if it's just for the fame, not dissing everyone all the time just for the fame etc.

Dont hate on me for this cause the list goes on and on in my head. You need to be awesome at several things IMO.
But again its just my opinion.

Fair point...

But I think Tupac possesed those, although I never saw him life in personal I've got a DVD and he was hella good.

His lyrics were well thought out and I'll prove my point further if you wish.

Name a rapper he has not influenced? At least a little bit...

Tupac is the GOAT...If you disagree you are banned for life, your opinion does not matter...I'm right your wrong...No arguments about it....I AM GOD

uMad?

I consider 2Pac to the best rapper.

rapper =/= lyricists (i think this was stated already, though...idk)

Pac is fucking awesome

ChronicIntelligence wrote:

Chokey wrote:

STRANGEgenius wrote:opinions classhing. .

Indeed

GangusKahn wrote:

Chokey wrote:

GangusKahn wrote:Choke E who is GOAT?

No one. There is no GOAT. Rap & Hip Hop is abstract. Saying one is the greatest ever isn't wide enough. Where would Pac be without NWA, where would all these rappers today be without Pac and so on. I think there's a couple of GOAT who makes the GOAT-group with the most influence, talent, skill and using the whole shit.

Going to sleep repleying on everything after this tomorrow.

Someone being the greatest of all time is just your opinion...How can you say everyone is wrong lol?

Yeah its my opninion. Never said everyone is wrong just saying no one is ever right about GOAT.


IMO you need to be one of the illest on the mic, write your own god damn songs and with good lyrics, perform with a hell of a show live, no need for a good beat to make a good flow or a good beat to make a hit, sounding good without autotune, not rapping about shit you dont do if it's just for the fame, not dissing everyone all the time just for the fame etc.

Dont hate on me for this cause the list goes on and on in my head. You need to be awesome at several things IMO.
But again its just my opinion.

Fair point...

But I think Tupac possesed those, although I never saw him life in personal I've got a DVD and he was hella good.

His lyrics were well thought out and I'll prove my point further if you wish.

Name a rapper he has not influenced? At least a little bit...

Every rapper who rapped before him?
He was a gangsta rapper but he wasn't the most hardcore gangsta rapper (IMO The E is)
Eminem, Immortal Technique and others will beat him lyrically
But since my last post in this thread I've heard alotta pac songs. He was insane. But he will never be GOAT.

ChronicIntelligence wrote:
Name a rapper he has not influenced? At least a little bit...

Lil B, 2 Chainz, Waka Flocka, Future, Gudda Gudda

...Why is this a sticky?

Jeet wrote:...Why is this a sticky?

Maxipads was high, idk.

Jeet wrote:...Why is this a sticky?

because they are two of the greatest artist of all time and should never be forgotten, just think of how many young kids probably stumble on these forums for hopsin and they never heard of 2pac or biggie.

2pfl wrote:

Jeet wrote:...Why is this a sticky?

because they are two of the greatest artist of all time and should never be forgotten, just think of how many young kids probably stumble on these forums for hopsin and they never heard of 2pac or biggie.

if youve heard of Hop, im pretty sure youve heard pac and biggie.

Yes lol. There's no one who hasn't heard of pac and biggie if they have listened to ANY rap

Both, but Tupac is better.

2pfl wrote:

Jeet wrote:...Why is this a sticky?

because they are two of the greatest artist of all time and should never be forgotten, just think of how many young kids probably stumble on these forums for hopsin and they never heard of 2pac or biggie.

Im 18 and even in Belgium everybody knows Biggie and Pac, don't worry man :)

Everyone knows Pac. Not everyone knows biggie. fact.

Chokey wrote:Everyone knows Pac. Not everyone knows biggie. fact.

very true.

You know at times I wish Pac could of kept his more political style from 2Pacalypse Now. Don't get me wrong I love almost everything he did and some would argue that he was always political. But he really did move towards what was popular and growing at the time (gangsta rap) and mastered it. All well maybe I'm alone in thinking that but felt like saying someting.

Pac. All day.

dukeblue wrote:You know at times I wish Pac could of kept his more political style from 2Pacalypse Now. Don't get me wrong I love almost everything he did and some would argue that he was always political. But he really did move towards what was popular and growing at the time (gangsta rap) and mastered it. All well maybe I'm alone in thinking that but felt like saying someting.

This.

dukeblue wrote:You know at times I wish Pac could of kept his more political style from 2Pacalypse Now. Don't get me wrong I love almost everything he did and some would argue that he was always political. But he really did move towards what was popular and growing at the time (gangsta rap) and mastered it. All well maybe I'm alone in thinking that but felt like saying someting.

Pac was a racist against white people...