Re: Tupac Vs. Biggie

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 12:16

LIL JON IS GOAT

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 12:57

STRANGEgenius wrote:LIL JON IS GOAT

Hell yea, hes underrated.

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 13:04

WHAATTTT

OKAAAYYY

fucking amazing lyrics.

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 13:43

nahh but to be serious...

I think Pac is the godfather of rap, he created it, he made it big and yes everyone owns him.

I think Tech N9ne is NOW the king - he is my GOAT , but Pac is still the Godfather.

I think Eminem is the prince, you can't touch what he did, only Tech can.

those are my 3 cents, i honestly don't care what people of think of that but thats my opinion.

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 20:08

STRANGEgenius wrote:he created it

STRANGEgenius wrote: those are my 3 cents

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 20:29

Why 2pac Is The Greatest Of All Time

Before we get into the topic, let’s first define the word “Great”. Most people use it interchangeably with “Best”, but each word has separate meanings. To call someone the “Greatest” is to say they have changed and/or transformed their original, intended purpose and transcended to a higher level in comparison with their peers. To call someone the “Best” is to say they are at the top of their game. “Great” refers to everything as a whole. “Best” refers to the few aspects or qualities that are being judged. Let’s look at an example.

In Boxing, Muhammed Ali is considered by most as the Greatest Boxer of All Time. But, if you ask many Boxing historians they wouldn’t vote for him as the “Best Boxer of All Time”. Most would give that title to Sugar Ray Robinson or Joe Louis. But ask yourself why? What is the difference? The answer...Culture. No one would ever argue that Muhammed Ali wasn’t a beast in the ring. But his legacy goes DEEPER than the boxing ring. He fought during a time of political and societal un-rest. During a time when America was warring, not only with other countries but with itself. His persona, ethics, and rebellious nature struck a chord in not only Americans, but other countries. That is Greatness. That is Tupac.

Tupac had his own style…he didn’t sound like anyone that came before him. That is Greatness. His versatility is un-paralleled. Before Tupac, most hip hop albums were mono-chromatic. Meaning, if you bought a Gangsta Rap album, you could rest assured that you would get 10-12 songs of pure chaos. The same held true for Lyricists, “New Jack Swing”, “Party Rap” etc. But Tupac was a Poet first, Rapper second. Including Eminem, there has yet to be a Rapper to truly perfect every single style all wrapped up in one person. In one album, he could make you

Dance – “California Love”

Laugh – “What’z Ya Phone #”

Cry – “Life Goes On”

Get Crunk – “You Can’t See Me”

Get Lyrical – “Got My Mind Made Up”

Pimp – “How Do You Want It”

Get Political – “Wonda Why They Call U Bitch”

Think about Life – “I Aint Mad At Cha”

Think about Society – “Shorty Wanna Be A Thug”

Swag out – “Picture Me Rollin”

Romantic – “Heaven Aint Hard To Find”

But how? Because he was a Poet first, Rapper second. He wrote from the heart. Not only what he saw and experienced, but what he felt and couldn’t say any other way. In the same hour, he could write a song like “Hit Em Up” and then “Dear Mama” because he was that complex. He was consistent in his values and they never wavered from album to album, including posthumous music.

Nowadays the music industry is all business and about sales. So people tend to compare him to other rappers using those criteria. But if you do, you have to place everything in its proper perspective. During Tupac’s era there were no digital downloads. Hip Hop artists didn’t have million dollar recording budgets. They didn’t have six-figure Marketing budgets either. But even more importantly, Hip Hop wasn’t as international as it is now. Tupac was the first Rapper to have two #1 albums in a row in the Billboard's top 200 albums chart. According to Forbes, by 2007 Tupac had sold over 75 million albums worldwide making him one of the best selling artists in the world.

But the accomplishments that really bother fans are the ones judged by his peers...especially in Hip Hop. MTV ranked him as #2 Greatest of All Time…
VH1 had him at #3. Which I find interesting because most, if not all, polls done by fans have him ranked at #1 including MTV’s “22 Greatest MCs of All Time” as voted by viewers and Vibe Magazine’s poll. The Rolling Stone magazine has him ranked as #86 on their “100 Greatest Artists of All Time” list which ranks all genres. And though I would still fight you on the fact they ranked “Run DMC” and “Public Enemy” ahead of him…there is no fucking way Eminem and Dr.Dre should be ahead of Tupac. That’s a bad joke.

Tupac’s Legacy goes deeper and further than the sound booth. How many other rappers…check that…musicians can you say that about? That is Greatness. In Hip Hop, there isn’t a Rapper born or alive from 1990 until now that doesn’t have Tupac’s DNA in their music, whether they admit to it or not. Until very recently, no artist could compare to Tupac’s international fanbase. As I travel to different countries in Europe and Latin America there are 3 t-shirts I’d bet you a plane ticket you will see: Che’ Guevara, Bob Marley, Tupac Shakur.

There are Tupac murals all around the world. You would expect them all around California, but did you know about the one in Sierra Leone, Africa ? (picture below)

You expect to see a tribute outside the Tupac Amaru Shakur Center for the Arts in Georgia, but did you know there is a statue that greets guests outside the entrance to the MARTA Museum in Herford, Germany (picture below)?

How many rappers can you name that have Harvard Symposiums about them? How many other rappers can you name that have College Professors teaching their lyrics? That is reserved for poets such as Edgar Allen Poe, Henry David Thoreau, or Ralph Waldo Emerson. Add Tupac Amaru Shakur to that list.

Still not convinced? Refer back to the definition of “Great” and “Best”…now consider this: On Wednesday, June 23, 2010, Tupac was inducted to the Library of Congress’s National Recording Registry. They chose “Dear Mama” as one of only 25 important recordings chosen by the Library of Congress for preservation due to the song’s cultural and historical importance.

Ok, I have one more for you…

Almost exactly 14 years after its posthumous release, Tupac’s 1998 hit "Changes" was selected by the Vatican (yes as in THE Catholic Church) as one of their "12 Favorite Songs"! It was the first time the Catholic Church officially recognized the work of any popular American artist. Tupac and “Changes” were included with the likes of "Don Giovanni" by Mozart, the Vatican's own "Advocata Nostra," featuring the voice of Pope Benedict XVI, and "After The Rain," by Dame Shirley Bassey.

Tupac Shakur is the "Greatest" Rapper of All Time.

btw i did not write this i got it off of tupacnation.net forums

Wed 1 Feb 2012 - 20:33

Best all time great.....

So Tupac is GOAT
and Biggie is BOAT? More like cruise ship

Sat 4 Feb 2012 - 19:24

GangusKahn wrote:Best all time great.....

So Tupac is GOAT
and Biggie is BOAT? More like cruise ship

Titanic

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 2:21

They both suck and have been hyped up over the years to the shit-house brah, get wit' the times people.

It's all about Lil Wayne.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 2:22

Tyga > Wayne, thats why wayne is afraid to collabo with him...

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 2:26

STRANGEgenius wrote:Tyga > Wayne, thats why wayne is afraid to collabo with him...

You obviously didn't see Wayne's new music vid, he was throwing paint around.

THROWING AROUND AND PLAYING IN PAINT! GOAT!!

Y'all go eat a dikk son.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 2:31

i watched it, throwing paint is THUG LIFE.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 5:18

The poll results make me lol, is that bad?
Sorry biggie.. RIP

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 5:22

not surprised abt the results.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 8:39

Did someone said Justin Timberlake? Greatest GOAT Of All Time. Listen to the flow, the lyrics, the "nooooo" etc. Aint nobody dope as this dude. He da king! King Great GOAT Of All Time! JUST LISTEN TO THE FLOW!!!

JT > PAC
Umad? Come at me.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 8:54

tbh JT is a good singer.

Sun 5 Feb 2012 - 22:21

STRANGEgenius wrote:tbh JT is a good singer.

I like him. I like good music and I think JT is good music. He've been making songs with Snoop, 50, T.I. and Timbaland so no matter what people say he's a little hip. My Love is great and I hate TI in generel but on this track they both run the shit. JT have only made 2 solo albums and anyway he's one of the biggest in the industry.
The only diss people have on JT is that he's a fag and I also used to say that when I was younger. He can sing, dance, make songs with hip hoppers/rappers, he's a moviestar, has a good-looking gf and owns 2 restuearents. The man's a money making monster!
NO HOMO!

Tue 21 Feb 2012 - 9:03

Pac, because he was easier to relate to than Biggie.
Unless, you were from the hood and getting money and shit.

Pac was realest.

Biggie was the illest.

BOTH OF THEM ARE THE TWO GREATEST EVER.

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 19:20

ChronicIntelligence wrote:BOTH OF THEM ARE THE TWO GREATEST EVER.

I do not agree. IMO you cant GOAT if you only become 20-some-years. They died to young to be GOAT.

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 20:08

Chokey wrote:I do not agree. IMO you cant GOAT if you only become 20-some-years. They died to young to be GOAT.

not sure if srss lol

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 20:40

liftthat wrote:

Chokey wrote:I do not agree. IMO you cant GOAT if you only become 20-some-years. They died to young to be GOAT.

not sure if srss lol

You cant? You cant seriously build up the greatest career ever in under 10 years. Just not possible. It's only because they got shot and it made them more badass, gangser etc. than before and people really started listening to their music. Just like they did when MJ died. Shit was pathetic.

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 20:59

Chokey wrote:You cant? You cant seriously build up the greatest career ever in under 10 years. Just not possible. It's only because they got shot and it made them more badass, gangser etc. than before and people really started listening to their music. Just like they did when MJ died. Shit was pathetic.

It's definitely possible to become a GOAT while only being in the game 10 years. Keep in mind Hip Hop is still a very young genre starting around the late 70's. It all depends on that artists output & the quality of his output. Assuming we are only judging off their discography, not how much they sold, how many fans, etc.

10 years or under...

2Pac:
2Pacalypse Now (91)
Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
Thug Life: Volume 1
Me Against the World
All Eyez on Me
The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
Still I Rise
Until the End of Time (2001)

That's 10 years right there, you're telling me that those albums combined wouldn't make someone a GOAT?
If that discography isn't a GOAT status, then I don't know what is.

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 21:01

liftthat wrote:

Chokey wrote:You cant? You cant seriously build up the greatest career ever in under 10 years. Just not possible. It's only because they got shot and it made them more badass, gangser etc. than before and people really started listening to their music. Just like they did when MJ died. Shit was pathetic.

It's definitely possible to become a GOAT while only being in the game 10 years. It all depends on that artists output & the quality of his output. Assuming we are only judging off their discography, not how much they sold, how many fans, etc.

10 years or under...

2Pac:
2Pacalypse Now (91)
Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
Thug Life: Volume 1
Me Against the World
All Eyez on Me
The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
Still I Rise
Until the End of Time (2001)

That's 10 years right there, you're telling me that those albums combined wouldn't make someone a GOAT?
If that discography isn't a GOAT status, then I don't know what is.

goat king tbh

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 22:37

liftthat wrote:

Chokey wrote:You cant? You cant seriously build up the greatest career ever in under 10 years. Just not possible. It's only because they got shot and it made them more badass, gangser etc. than before and people really started listening to their music. Just like they did when MJ died. Shit was pathetic.

It's definitely possible to become a GOAT while only being in the game 10 years. Keep in mind Hip Hop is still a very young genre starting around the late 70's. It all depends on that artists output & the quality of his output. Assuming we are only judging off their discography, not how much they sold, how many fans, etc.

10 years or under...

2Pac:
2Pacalypse Now (91)
Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.Z.
Thug Life: Volume 1
Me Against the World
All Eyez on Me
The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory
R U Still Down? (Remember Me)
Still I Rise
Until the End of Time (2001)

That's 10 years right there, you're telling me that those albums combined wouldn't make someone a GOAT?
If that discography isn't a GOAT status, then I don't know what is.

It's not only about the albums/songs but about the concers, being in the industry/street whatever for long time. You need to promote yourself for more than just 10 years. Pac died in 96 if im not wrong and all those afteralbums with old unreleased tracks, remixes, remaking of his voice really aint Pac but just people trying making money. I know many people sees Pac as GOAT for his music but you need more than just music. Live concerts, world tours, long hard months away from the family where you give the fans what they want. To show that you're not only the best in Cali or NY etc. but the whole world sees you as a rapper they would pay to see live. Lil wayne (as an example) is a worldstar whether you like it or not and he have used 12-13 years now. Now he's a world star. And now he needs to tour round the world showing the world, haters, fans, reviewers and magazines that he is the best (we know he's not GOAT) but if he makes a hell of a concert it's just as important as making a good album.
Sorry for the confusing reason but I just cant give a better reason at english so please dont hate me cause of my grammar and bad explanations.

Mon 5 Mar 2012 - 22:41

Choke E who is GOAT?

Tupac or Biggie?