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Fri 5 Oct 2012 - 19:30
Not sure this thread has been made before, but it's getting pretty taboo for some reason nowadays. Any people care to venture their opinion on the whole topic? I'll give mine too.
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Fri 5 Oct 2012 - 19:55
He's a pretty good rapper. Rip The Jacker is a groundbreaking album. Hopsin 3


Weed is what it is. I'm learning that my opinion changes quite often on it and I seriously don't give a shit about what people do with it or don't. It's a personal choice. Just like masturbation.
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Fri 5 Oct 2012 - 19:57
Well yea, that's pretty much my opinion too. The only reason I'm bringing it up that it's causing some controversy but I'm not even sure why.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 4:31
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 10:17
Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 11:14
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 15:57
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Agree with everything, seen the union docu?
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:00
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Agree with everything, seen the union docu?

Nah man? Ever seen a docu called 'Super High Me'? It's like Super Size Me, except he goes 30 days without smoking, does various tests etc to see how his co-ordination etc is, then he smokes solid, HEAVY, for 30 days and does the same tests on the same days, and actually does better at them when he's high. He says at the end like 'I thought i'd go 30 days without smoking, then smoke for 30 days that by the end of the 60 days i wouldn't want to touch any cannabis again, but once it was all over, i loved it even more'... amazed.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:02
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

Yeah, i mean being an advocate of it, i suppose it's easy to see it all from my own eyes, i've smoked it almost daily for 8 years now and i've never had paranoia, cannabispsychosis or any health problems, and tend to read stories from other advocates more than the down side, it all depends on the person i guess. But the plant itself can do more good in the world than the tobacco plant, which is widely accepted world-over as a smoking product.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:04
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:08
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

A point i've always argued is that the amount of money put into getting Cannabis OFF the streets is extremely high, especially in the U.S and UK. That's government money that could be used to help the UK out of some of it's HUGE debt, but instead is used busting people with raids and big operations that are simply getting high and getting on with their lives.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:15
Reminds me of this article.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:33
Lol, that article is terrible.
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Sat 6 Oct 2012 - 16:34
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Agree with everything, seen the union docu?

Nah man? Ever seen a docu called 'Super High Me'? It's like Super Size Me, except he goes 30 days without smoking, does various tests etc to see how his co-ordination etc is, then he smokes solid, HEAVY, for 30 days and does the same tests on the same days, and actually does better at them when he's high. He says at the end like 'I thought i'd go 30 days without smoking, then smoke for 30 days that by the end of the 60 days i wouldn't want to touch any cannabis again, but once it was all over, i loved it even more'... amazed.

May have watched some of that, i'll give it a look. Seen quite a few, but this is by far the best cannabis docu:
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Sun 7 Oct 2012 - 8:22
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.

Just for the record, i only smoke cannabis in a hemp rizla, so there's no chemicals/nothing harmful, and i'm only inhaling the cannabis itself. The amount of chlorine in rizla and stuff is shocking, i don't want to be inhaling tar, nicotine, chlorine and carbon monoxide and god knows what else when i light one up.
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FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.


The reasons that it's illegal are valid. Weed can effect a person in ways you can't even begin to imagine, simply because you receive the beneficial effects. As did I, until it started becoming a whole new drug. I know plenty of people that have experienced the same exact effects that I get now and it was just their first time smoking and every time after that. It's a chemical that isn't for certain people. I don't support the wars over oil and things like that, but I take a lot of science classes in college and I can tell you from basic knowledge that, Hemp could NEVER be used to an alternative to generate power. Never will there be a day on earth that someone runs a car with Hemp oil. I do think that if people would just take the time to understand weed, then it would be legal. We just have too much ignorance in abundance.

People that look at weed negatively, do it for all the wrong reasons. I completely support the use of it, if that's what works for you. I loved the culture. From it, like you, I met good friends selling and smoking. My best friend and I are closer than anyone I've ever met and we came together through selling. I have smoked maybe a thousand blunts and done countless rips of whatever else. There just came a point where it wasn't my thing anymore, it can have a seriously harmful effect on someone in the wrong mindset.

I do believe that weed is something for everyone to try and if you like it, enjoy the hell out of it, it's awesome. The best times of my life were the years I was smoking weed. I miss that lifestyle so much sometimes but, I think that I was high so much then, that real life is like a high to me now. Maybe I'll go back to smoking when I get bored of sobriety lol. I rolled a few blunts last night for the people at my recording session and really thought about blazing, but I know exactly where my head will be at if I do.
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Sun 7 Oct 2012 - 17:22
Perfect Stranger wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.

Okay lets get down to it. Why would you say they shouldn't legalize it when it's so clear they should? It's even ridiculous to try and argue for the opposite. Yeah, I took into consideration that you said certain people can be affected by it and I replied accordingly. People who are affected by it shouldn't use it, just like people who are allergic to strawberries shouldn't eat strawberries it's as simple as that. Now you're talking about heavy Cannabis users, people who have been smoking from a young age repeatedly over a few decades. But even then, it wont have a major impact on them. I know plenty of older people who were heavy Cannabis users and who have stopped and are some of the happiest people (not all of them). Now, if they were smoking cigarettes, they could have gotten a ton of different tobacco related diseases. Why do you say you won't be the same person? You're never the same person, every day you change and your opinions change. It's how you're effected by the experiences in life that shapes you into the person you are. It's not solely based on smoking Cannabis, as if after a while you get this Cannabis mental disorder that controls your actions. The drug is not the culprit, the person using the drug, is. Just as a bomb is not responsible for the deaths it causes for being detonated when it could be used for things like destroying land and rebuilding it or deflecting meteorites when needed. If you know people like that, then they've done that themselves. Those are the people who just smoke weed and that's their main purpose of the day. You understand, for your brain to be intact with reality it needs to sober AND learning constantly. If you're just smoking weed and doing nothing with your life you will be one of those people, no doubt. But that was your own choice and you're now suffering the consequence. You don't fail at life when you take drugs, you take drugs because you're failing at life and escaping the reality is easier than accepting it.

Now, you tell me. I'm high right now, why am I able to use my brain to this extent and write this paragraph in a few minutes?
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Sun 7 Oct 2012 - 18:14
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.

Okay lets get down to it. Why would you say they shouldn't legalize it when it's so clear they should? It's even ridiculous to try and argue for the opposite. Yeah, I took into consideration that you said certain people can be affected by it and I replied accordingly. People who are affected by it shouldn't use it, just like people who are allergic to strawberries shouldn't eat strawberries it's as simple as that. Now you're talking about heavy Cannabis users, people who have been smoking from a young age repeatedly over a few decades. But even then, it wont have a major impact on them. I know plenty of older people who were heavy Cannabis users and who have stopped and are some of the happiest people (not all of them). Now, if they were smoking cigarettes, they could have gotten a ton of different tobacco related diseases. Why do you say you won't be the same person? You're never the same person, every day you change and your opinions change. It's how you're effected by the experiences in life that shapes you into the person you are. It's not solely based on smoking Cannabis, as if after a while you get this Cannabis mental disorder that controls your actions. The drug is not the culprit, the person using the drug, is. Just as a bomb is not responsible for the deaths it causes for being detonated when it could be used for things like destroying land and rebuilding it or deflecting meteorites when needed. If you know people like that, then they've done that themselves. Those are the people who just smoke weed and that's their main purpose of the day. You understand, for your brain to be intact with reality it needs to sober AND learning constantly. If you're just smoking weed and doing nothing with your life you will be one of those people, no doubt. But that was your own choice and you're now suffering the consequence. You don't fail at life when you take drugs, you take drugs because you're failing at life and escaping the reality is easier than accepting it.

Now, you tell me. I'm high right now, why am I able to use my brain to this extent and write this paragraph in a few minutes?

After reading your blogs (esp. 'Nihilistic Black Hole Syndrome') it seems like you'd easily be able to grasp the concept of an opposing view point on this subject... I could throw several contradicting quotes the made me second guess your argument in this thread. Not that I didn't enjoy the blogs or see where you were coming from with your statements made here.
Seems like have some biased views on the subject, which is ok. Passion is one of the most important traits to have.

How long have you been smoking for?
What makes it so CLEAR that they should legalize.

I hate that this thread has become yet another legality debate, but you're a real smoker, someone actually experienced with pot and it would directly effect your lifestyle if it was legal. So it counts. This is even more interesting because I used to share almost the exact same opinion as you when I smoked. I get where you're coming from, yet I have an opposing opinion, because I feel any avid smoker should clearly see why it isn't legal. A lot of my friends were in denial but even as a smoker, I started to realize why it doesn't need to be legalized. You should check my post on the page before this though.
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Sun 7 Oct 2012 - 18:43
DGCK wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.

Okay lets get down to it. Why would you say they shouldn't legalize it when it's so clear they should? It's even ridiculous to try and argue for the opposite. Yeah, I took into consideration that you said certain people can be affected by it and I replied accordingly. People who are affected by it shouldn't use it, just like people who are allergic to strawberries shouldn't eat strawberries it's as simple as that. Now you're talking about heavy Cannabis users, people who have been smoking from a young age repeatedly over a few decades. But even then, it wont have a major impact on them. I know plenty of older people who were heavy Cannabis users and who have stopped and are some of the happiest people (not all of them). Now, if they were smoking cigarettes, they could have gotten a ton of different tobacco related diseases. Why do you say you won't be the same person? You're never the same person, every day you change and your opinions change. It's how you're effected by the experiences in life that shapes you into the person you are. It's not solely based on smoking Cannabis, as if after a while you get this Cannabis mental disorder that controls your actions. The drug is not the culprit, the person using the drug, is. Just as a bomb is not responsible for the deaths it causes for being detonated when it could be used for things like destroying land and rebuilding it or deflecting meteorites when needed. If you know people like that, then they've done that themselves. Those are the people who just smoke weed and that's their main purpose of the day. You understand, for your brain to be intact with reality it needs to sober AND learning constantly. If you're just smoking weed and doing nothing with your life you will be one of those people, no doubt. But that was your own choice and you're now suffering the consequence. You don't fail at life when you take drugs, you take drugs because you're failing at life and escaping the reality is easier than accepting it.

Now, you tell me. I'm high right now, why am I able to use my brain to this extent and write this paragraph in a few minutes?

After reading your blogs (esp. 'Nihilistic Black Hole Syndrome') it seems like you'd easily be able to grasp the concept of an opposing view point on this subject... I could throw several contradicting quotes the made me second guess your argument in this thread. Not that I didn't enjoy the blogs or see where you were coming from with your statements made here.
Seems like have some biased views on the subject, which is ok. Passion is one of the most important traits to have.

How long have you been smoking for?
What makes it so CLEAR that they should legalize.

I hate that this thread has become yet another legality debate, but you're a real smoker, someone actually experienced with pot and it would directly effect your lifestyle if it was legal. So it counts. This is even more interesting because I used to share almost the exact same opinion as you when I smoked. I get where you're coming from, yet I have an opposing opinion, because I feel any avid smoker should clearly see why it isn't legal. A lot of my friends were in denial but even as a smoker, I started to realize why it doesn't need to be legalized. You should check my post on the page before this though.

I agree with some of this. This should be kept as a civil debate, it seems to be getting a bit heated and i'm sick of conversations about legality getting so heated everytime they come up.

I'm an avid smoker aswell, i've been smoking for 8 years now, almost daily for the last 4 of those years, and i still feel it should be legalized. I agree with the 'if someone has a bad effect from it, they don't smoke it, like someone who's allergic to strawberrys doesn't eat them' but we know people would still smoke it as it wont outright kill you like eating something you're allergic too will. But some people can't handle alcohol well at all and have EXTREME violence/aggresion/dependence on it etc, and that is legal, so who's to say it's okay that alcohol is okay but pot isn't? I'd understand if there were things that people have bad reactions to that were made illegal aswell, but i don't under how someone can say: 'People can have a bad time on alcohol, there's drink driving, people becoming alcoholics, violence, government money spent on arresting drunks, responding to calls that are happening because of alcohol, and marijuana can have bad effects on people, it'll fuck their mind up, paranoia etc, but alcohol should be on sale and cannabis shouldn't'

I just don't understand that. Surely as you've smoked weed and lived the lifestyle like we have, you can understand why it shouldn't be kept illegal?
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Also, i don't believe that it'll change much with stoners whether it's legalised or not. We'd stop getting prosecuted for smoking it or carrying it, and even if it was in shops like cigarettes, i'd still buy it from my dealers, it would probably still be cheaper to buy it from dealers without tax added, and on top of the government selling it to people who'd rather buy it from a shop and making money, they'd save alot of money not going on raids to farms and sorting out these big operations to raid and prosecute people.
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Sun 7 Oct 2012 - 20:07
DGCK wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
Trig wrote:
Perfect Stranger wrote:
FactoryOfEmbers wrote:Love it, love everything about it.

I love how it smells, how it grinds, rolling up, smoking with pals, smoking alone, hitting bongs, smoking blunts, everything. It's more a culture thing i find, it's not just getting high, it's cannabis culture in general. Hell i even used to sell it to make a bit extra cash on top of my real job, met some good friends that way. I don't understand it being kept illegal, except that they wouldn't be able to tax it, because people would still grow it anyway.

I HATE people who are ignorant about it without knowing fuck all, like how it can be used as Hemp Oil instead of the oil that's causing wars world over, or that paper can be made from it, which is why it's illegal in the first place, in the early 1900's the timber industry was in shit because they could make paper from hemp without harming the tree's, so the government made it illegal to protect the timber industry. Hell, the queen of England used to smoke it to ease her PMT so god know why it's still illegal here.

Cannabis itself can have a positive effect on people such as yourself, but the my only big objection to legalization is it is potentially dangerous under the circumstances that it can induce psychosis on certain people.
Now if we made this legal, they'd be a lot more health problems and Ward 9 would be pack with motherfuckers off there tree.
Weed can be beneficial for some people but a lot of people also react to it badly, for example you've got the stoners, who are really calm and tranquil, wouldn't harm a fly just want there dope, but there's people who it effects really badly, and can as I stated above induce psychosis, plus it makes you hella paranoid, well it did me at least and didn't even directly inhale the stuff.

I beg to differ. More health problems than there already are? 400,000 deaths in the US alone from smoking cigarettes YEARLY. People die from health problems every day (http://www.worldometers.info/). Legalizing Cannabis wouldn't make a difference, it would even, later on as time goes by, lessen the amount of people smoking Cannabis. People that want to smoke it today, they can. No law is going to stop them. This would just make it easier for them to get it, as if it isn't already easy. Now the psychosis and paranoia, you have a point. But only to an extent, because you see the major health risk substances out there are legal. There aren't many heroin addicts are there, compared to the number of people that smoke cigarettes. You don't make something illegal only because it's a health risk problem and for most people, a very minor one at that (in moderation). If it's a problem for someone to smoke Cannabis because of major health risk, you just don't smoke it simple. There are many other points in favour of Cannabis legalization, for instance the millions/billions of dollars that go into controlling the streets and getting rid of the drugs. If you remove that funding, make it legal and tax the stuff and bang... you don't have to be a genius to figure it out.

I never said they shouldn't flat out not legalize it, I said that certain people can be affected by it.
Now cigarettes kill you, they give you cancer, heart disease etc.
But the thing is tobacco, although it is not as much a natural helpful resource as hemp is, it isn't exactly going to give you any mental defects after long term use like cannabis potentially can, its going to give you psychical defects but you'll still be as sane as you were when you first started.
I've known people how take it really well and other people who its affected so badly they don't even remember my goddamn name .
Plenty of my homies smoke it and that's cool because its a lifestyle choice but it can be easily more accessible to the average Jo who wants to try something new, because they can buy it off the self and they react badly too it, they're fucked.
Yes, it'll stop a lot of drug related crime but not enough make a significant impact where it could be potentially worse or perhaps better.
Also, the actual paraphernalia that is used to smoke it can kill you, so you can't say marijuana is totally safe in that aspect, yes you can eat it but a lot of people use bongs and blunts, bongs can give you throat cancer, so therefore that argument its nearly invalid.

Okay lets get down to it. Why would you say they shouldn't legalize it when it's so clear they should? It's even ridiculous to try and argue for the opposite. Yeah, I took into consideration that you said certain people can be affected by it and I replied accordingly. People who are affected by it shouldn't use it, just like people who are allergic to strawberries shouldn't eat strawberries it's as simple as that. Now you're talking about heavy Cannabis users, people who have been smoking from a young age repeatedly over a few decades. But even then, it wont have a major impact on them. I know plenty of older people who were heavy Cannabis users and who have stopped and are some of the happiest people (not all of them). Now, if they were smoking cigarettes, they could have gotten a ton of different tobacco related diseases. Why do you say you won't be the same person? You're never the same person, every day you change and your opinions change. It's how you're effected by the experiences in life that shapes you into the person you are. It's not solely based on smoking Cannabis, as if after a while you get this Cannabis mental disorder that controls your actions. The drug is not the culprit, the person using the drug, is. Just as a bomb is not responsible for the deaths it causes for being detonated when it could be used for things like destroying land and rebuilding it or deflecting meteorites when needed. If you know people like that, then they've done that themselves. Those are the people who just smoke weed and that's their main purpose of the day. You understand, for your brain to be intact with reality it needs to sober AND learning constantly. If you're just smoking weed and doing nothing with your life you will be one of those people, no doubt. But that was your own choice and you're now suffering the consequence. You don't fail at life when you take drugs, you take drugs because you're failing at life and escaping the reality is easier than accepting it.

Now, you tell me. I'm high right now, why am I able to use my brain to this extent and write this paragraph in a few minutes?

After reading your blogs (esp. 'Nihilistic Black Hole Syndrome') it seems like you'd easily be able to grasp the concept of an opposing view point on this subject... I could throw several contradicting quotes the made me second guess your argument in this thread. Not that I didn't enjoy the blogs or see where you were coming from with your statements made here.
Seems like have some biased views on the subject, which is ok. Passion is one of the most important traits to have.

How long have you been smoking for?
What makes it so CLEAR that they should legalize.

I hate that this thread has become yet another legality debate, but you're a real smoker, someone actually experienced with pot and it would directly effect your lifestyle if it was legal. So it counts. This is even more interesting because I used to share almost the exact same opinion as you when I smoked. I get where you're coming from, yet I have an opposing opinion, because I feel any avid smoker should clearly see why it isn't legal. A lot of my friends were in denial but even as a smoker, I started to realize why it doesn't need to be legalized. You should check my post on the page before this though.

Cool, you read my blogs, how did you find them? Oo

It's fine if you can find contradictions in my statements, just mention them so I see what you mean. I've been smoking for the past year quite a bit and the year before that more casually. I also tried it a few times before that so yea. I'm not really your typical case, nonetheless I love the culture of weed and everything to do with it. It's my style, my character. I'm probably the most down to earth person you'll ever meet in your life. I still remain on the side of legalization. At the end of the day, it is my choice what substances I want to take, not the governments. The fact that you can't use something that grows naturally is quite hilarious to me. Watch this video, it may be interesting to you if you haven't seen this point made before. I might have to go and buy that book on intoxication. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNSlpftizbE

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